INTRO: Mae Brussell is a wellknown West Coast conspiriologist and assassination researcher. As usual our questions are
framed not to win an argument
and impress our audience, but
only to bring out the views of
the interviewee most fully and
accurately. So please, no letters
this time chastising me for not
arguing hard enough. On the
other hand, letters of substance
C.D.: Personally, I no longer have any firm prescriptions for
social betterment. The study of
conspiracy seems to indicate
that the laws of reality give the
dedicated conspirators the upper
hand against anyone with any
version of social reform in
mind. Another way of looking
at it is that evil has a better
feedback loop than good. The
loot gained by conspiracy puts
power in the hands of a few conspirators who then can undertake even vaster conspiracies to
further enhance their power.
The fruits of "good" movements, on the other hand, are widely dispersed among the people rather than being concentrated and available for further
Perhaps this would be a good
question. Do you have any
M.B.: Conspiracies and the centralization of power in the
hands of a few does present a
problem when those conspirators are not dedicated to social
There are also philosophical,
literary, and historical examples
where evil does not have a better
feedback loop than good.
The laws of reality do not
guarantee that power gained from force and monopoly will
be lasting or of any long range
value to those who have struggled to obtain that power.
Ralph Waldo Emerson's essay on Compensation describes
my views about evil, power, and
the attempted manipulations of
mankind and nature:
The farmer imagines power and place are fine things. But
the President has paid dear
for his White House. It has
commonly cost him all his
peace and the best of his manly attributes. To preserve for
a short time so conspicuous an appearance before the world, he is CONTENT TO
EAT DUST BEFORE THE
REAL MASTERS WHO
STAND ERECT BEHIND
This law (of compensation)
writes the laws of the cities
and nations. It is in vain to
build or plot or combine
against it. Things refuse to be
mismanaged long. Though no
checks to a new evil appear,
the checks exist and will appear. If the government is
cruel, the governor's life is
not safe. If you tax too high,
the revenue will yield nothing.
The dice of God are always
loaded. Every secret is told,
every crime is punished, every
virtue rewarded, every wrong
redressed in silence and
David, the poet, was able to
halt Goliath, the giant.
Remember Achilles' heel? Children love Popeye and instant
spinach. Power comes from
many sources to counteract evil.
Evil has never had a better
feedback loop than good. The
popularity of Star Wars today
has to do with the longing for
heroes, the triumph of good
over evil, the FORCES of good
The CIA spent $26,000,000
tax dollars over a 25 year period
with the express purpose of altering human behavior, starting as early as 1947. All of this
budget was not for defensive
purposes, but to erase memories
and to cause apathy at home.
Dr. Jose Delgado, Yale University, funded by Navy Intelligence (our tax money again),
specializes in electronically controlling human beings. We are
preparing for future warfare robots. If power and evil provide
such a good feedback, why the
necessity to worry about emotions such as anxiety, guilt, or
Power is temporary and illusive. It can be shattered by one
leak or piece of evidence. One
slip of scotch tape placed on the
door latch at the Watergate
Hotel, Washington, D. C. was
responsible for removing the
President, Vice-President, Attorney General, Secretary of
Commerce, top Presidential
aides and attorneys. No one has
yet admitted who put the second
tape back on the door.
Every person with illegal
secrets to hide has been bugged,
followed, and blackmailed.
The kinds of conspiracies I
am talking about pertain to
political assassinations and their
The fruits of good movements
are too widely dispersed. They
receive no assistance from the
The FBI Cointel-Program
and the CIA's Operation Chaos
have been breaking up leftist
type organizations and social-cultural activities with a purposeful vengeance (again with
our tax dollars).
Divide and conquer is the
rule, whether inside the prisons
or at charitable meetings. Anywhere people get together they
The ratio of agents and informants has been about one provoceteur to five members of
any given group.
There has been a systematic effort to kill all leaders whose
awareness or activities interfere
with international oil interests
or narcotics traffic.
It has been alleged that the
CIA-FBI combine, in conjunction with the Defense Industrial
Security Command, has supported a school in Oaxaco,
Mexico, for professional assassins. This religious academy,
disguised as a missionary, was
exposed in 1970 and might be
disbanded since that date. Albert Osborne, alias John Howard Bowan, director and
head "missionary," accompanied Lee Harvey Oswald
on his trip to Mexico in
September, 1962. Oswald, not
an assassin, was patsy for the
men who killed President John
The killing of Kennedy was
only one of dozens or possibly
hundreds of murders of leaders
around the world, or potential
With this kind of worldwide
organization in operation,
(funded by our tax dollars, sent
through various Church fronts
around the country) how can
any good movements or leaders
ever serve the people?
C.D.: Do you think, then, that
centralization of power can be a
good thing as long as the power
is held by persons selected by the
people and dedicated to what
you consider to be a valid program of social reform?
Doesn't power always corrupt? Aren't the worst always
attracted by the prospect of centralized power? Wouldn't extreme decentralized power be
the solution to conspiracy?
M.B.: Centralization of
power is always dangerous.
What is valid social reform to
one group, such as Hitler's Germany, is genocide for others.
I have to agree with Thomas
Jefferson's thoughts about
power, "I have never been able to conceive how any rational
being could bring happiness to
himself from the exercise of
power over others."
You have to understand that
my views about power and happiness are not realistic or even
possible. Utopian dreams of a
world without fear, killings, and
unnecessary pains is only a goal
which makes every day a
challenge, and every hour
Yes, power corrupts. The
worst are attracted by centralized power. The solution is
for parents to avoid playing
power trips on their children,
for the educators to stop playing
power games on the students,
for the church to avoid power
and fear threats on the
parishioners, and for the government to halt dividing economic and ethnic groups against
Conspiracies are possible
when people have been conspired against from birth. If
parents, schools, church, and
government divested themselves
of the games that increase their
power, new sources of energy
and production would take their
place and do a much better
job with what has to be
C.D.: What is your attitude
on the Right-Left dichotomy?
From your writing I would
presume that you have a
"left-wing" background and
probably are favorably disposed
to socialism or "true" communism. Could you describe
your social-political ideals?
Everyone knows what Mae
Brussell is against. Your positive
philosophy, on the other hand,
would be news to many of our
M.B.: My attitude on the Right-Left dichotomy should
not enter into or affect my
research. When a biologist looks
at cancer cells in a microscope,
they are not Republican or
Democratic or Socialist cells.
There is no right-left distinction
I examine autopsy reports,
sworn testimony under oath,
Congressional Hearings, FBI,
CIA, and other Government
documents, witness testimony,
police reports, books, articles,
and unpublished manuscripts
along with newsletters.
My conclusions about assassinations and their cover-up are cross referenced and constantly checked for changes or new information.
The FBI and Los Angeles
Police Department have photographs labeled that prove ten or
more bullets were fired in the
Ambassador Hotel the night
Sen. Robert Kennedy was killed.
Sirhan Sirhan's weapon only
fires eight shots.
There is no indication or
proof that any of Sirhan's
bullets went into Kennedy. The
fatal shot came from behind the
Senator, into his head. A guard
from Lockheed, Thane Cesar,
fired his gun that night.
The coat sleeve of Kennedy's
was cut off and is missing.
The ceiling panels, in the
direction of Cesar's bullets, are
Sirhan Sirhan's weapon was
"sold" and is out of the state,
If the Republicans and the
right-wing did the killing and
cover up, we should know.
If the Democrats or Communists did the killing or cover-up, we should know.
L.A. Chief of Police Ed
Davis, and former District Attorney Evelle Younger, at the
time of the cover-up, are both
running for Governor of California. The voters should be informed if they were part of conspiracy to silence the murder
of a Senator and Presidential
The voters must be informed
about whoever is guilty. This
has nothing really to do with
There are existing documents
to prove the CIA-FBI was planning the murder of Richard
Nixon in 1972. Conservative
George Wallace was eliminated
from the 1972 elections because
of a near assassination.
I want to know who is killing
Republicans or Conservatives as
much as I want to know who is
killing President John F. Kennedy, Sen. Robert Kennedy,
Malcolm X, Rev. Martin Luther
King, or hundreds of others less
known: witnesses to these murders or near murders.
Everyone doesn't know what
Mae Brussell is against. If I tell
you what I am against, you can
deduce or know what I am for.
I am against the planned
political assassinations by our
Intelligence and Defense agents.
The CIA-FBI-DIA and DISC,
Defense Industry Security Command were set up originally to protect citizens of the USA.
They became their own judges
and juries, private servants of
corporations with investments
at home and abroad.
I am against the constant
destruction of evidence in criminal matters and political assassinations. Prime witnesses
are murdered before or after
testifying. Diaries are forged
and planted in obvious places.
Doubles are created to confuse.
The Police Departments manipulate facts in cooperation
I am outraged that our judicial system since 1947 has been
patterned after Nazi Germany.
Patsies are dead or locked away.
The assassins walk the streets or
leave the country, "home free."
I am against using the Chief
Justice of the Supreme Court,
Earl Warren, to cover up the
assassination of President Kennedy. When the highest court is
corrupt, there is no hope at local
I am against allowing the CIA
to spend $25,000,000 since 1947
for the express purpose, as
stated before, to alter our
behavior. Is the State supreme
over individuals? Who owns or
controls our minds?
Why was CIA Director Allen
Dulles allowed to order
100,000,000 LSD tablets? Were
one half the U.S. population
going to receive their doses?
What gives the CIA and Pentagon the right to define normal, or to determine what is National Security? Are we being
drugged through food, water,
and supplied with chemicals so
we become slaves and robots?
Where is all the cancer coming
from? Why the preoccupation
Why is the U.S. Government
in the business of creating a
"Psyche-civilized" world? Who
is ordering the ultrasonic waves
to lower brain waves of cities'
populations to an alpha state,
leaving citizens susceptible to
mass propaganda and hypnotic
suggestion? These facts have
been confirmed by researcher
Walter Bowart in 1977. I
learned about the project years
I am against the mass media,
CBS, ABC, NBC, UPI, and AP
being used by Washington D.C.
since WWI, and by the CIA
since WWII as pure propaganda
tools. The so-called liberal New
York Times and Washington Post would make Adolf Hitler
proud. Notice that in all
the Washington Post accolades
about Watergate exposures,
they never delved into the
massive evidence surrounding
the murder of Mary Jo Kopechne, the shooting of George
Wallace, the Howard Hughes
connections, or the murder of J.
Edgar Hoover, the planned riots
for Miami in 1972, the assassination plans for Richard
Nixon through both the San
Diego Secret Army Organization and the Andrew Topping
arrest in New York. The media
are cover-up artists. They allow
assassins or would-be-assassins
to fade away.
One thing is certain about all
these matters. The laws of
nature are such that certain
truths are going to come out. It
is only a matter of time.
There is no den in the wide
world to hide a rogue. Commit a crime. You cannot recall
the spoken word, you cannot
wipe out the foot track, you
cannot draw up the ladder as
to leave no inlet or clue.
SOME DAMNING CIRCUMSTANCE ALWAYS
TRANSPIRES. The laws and
substances of nature become
penalties to the thief.
Ralph W. Emerson
My positive philosophy is very simple. I believe there is in
each of us a potential for peace
and harmony. A few power-mad perverts dictate orders that
must be challenged. They are
going against the laws of nature.
A family and society that does
not care for its infants with love
and affection will create and
does produce mad bombers. The
source of this peace and harmony is within the family unit,
not with Government agents or
law enforcement. Without love
in the home there is never quiet
in the community, cities, or
around the world.
There are ways to counteract the evil being purposely
planned. Study history. Separate fears and prejudices from
facts. Recognize facts from propaganda. Invest energy in fighting for what you believe in.
Analyze harder where we are
going and what you are doing
about it. What do you really
believe in? How much do we
C.D.: Where can our readers
get information on Walter
Bowart's research on the mind
control uses of ultra-sonic waves
M.B.: Walter Bowart's book
"Operation Mind Control"
will be published in the Spring,
Bowart's allegations about
the CIA using ultrasonic waves
on the human brain to control
the behavior pattern of entire
cities confirms information I received in 1974 about the same
A reliable source of information told me that a radio tower
and a tall bank tower in San
Francisco were going to extend a
beam to have virtual radio control of that entire city. He informed me that the radio
frequencies would make meditation impossible. The radio
towers were being utilized for
future control of our minds.
The same week that I received
this information, an article in
the Los Angeles Times appeared
mentioning the use of radio
beams over large cities to control the population.
C.D.: CONSPIRACY DIGEST has
often propounded the theory
that the Right-Left political-economic spectrum is an artificial concoction of the ruling
class/conspiracy that creates a
"heads I win tails you lose"
situation for the ruled class.
Isn't the choice between Communism and Fascism only a
choice in style of tyranny? Are
you familiar with Antony Sutton 's Wall Street series of books
that documents that both Nazism and Soviet Communism
were financed largely by the
same Wall Street cabal whose
interest was in creating the conditions for big government
favoritism as opposed to laissez-faire competition?
M.B.: The choices between
Fascism and Communism are
not our ONLY alternatives. Tyranny, by any name, isn't the
I am familiar with Antony
Sutton's books and own a few.
Naziism and Soviet Communism were financed by Wall
Street Cabals. They were NOT
FUNDED TO SUPPORT
Money was poured in the
USSR and behind the Iron Curtain for the purpose of funding
future uprisings and encouraging dissidents.
Nazi agents are behind part of
the KGB and MKD.
Just as Wall Street poured
money in Russia after WWI,
Allen Dulles, attorney for the
Wall Street Cabal, then Director
of the CIA, funded Adolf Hitler's Chief of Nazi-Eastern Intelligence with $200,000,000
(our tax dollars once again).
Gehlen was paid for his agents
behind the Iron Curtain and for
Cold War - Hot War purposes.
This money does not go for
Communism, but anti-communism even though it is sent inside
Marina Oswald's background was White Russian aristocracy. Marina has overwhelming links to the CIA,
Defense Industry, and General
Reinhard Gehlen's agents
through the CIA/Greek Orthodox Church. Her membership in the Communist Komsomol Organization was a leftist
front that didn't fool the State
Department or violently Anti-Communist Rescue Commission that met Lee and Marina in
New York City.
The right-left political and
economic spectrum is a farce.
Howard Hughes Summa Company, the South Korean KCIA,
Hughes Medical Institute, and
other similar funding front
operations have bought our
Congress, Republicans as well
as Democrats. Those that can't
be bought are blackmailed.
C.D.: On numerous occasions you refer to the Buckley
school of conservatives and his youth wing, Young Americans
for Freedom, as connected to
CIA/ruling class dirty tricks and
even the Kennedy Assassination. Few conspiracy buffs
would dispute the CIA-Buckley-Establishment connection. Of
course, Buckley is death on conspiracy theory, which fails. His
favorite target is "paranoids."
What do you think of the conspiracy-minded right such as the
Liberty Lobby and the John
Birch Society? No doubt you
differ with their theories, but do
you think they are largely
sincere? Or are they black propaganda outlets for the Establishment? Or like many other
organizations are they simply infiltrated and used from time to
time in specific black propaganda campaigns? In one of your
tapes you seemed to imply that
George Schuler's American
Opinion attack on Malcolm X
contained outright lies and
was timed to coincide
with Malcolm's assassination.
M.B.: William Buckley's favorite target may be paranoids.
Paranoia is a psychological
diagnosis applied to a disease of
the mind. Buckley is hardly any
psychiatrist. He is a useful
media showcase and propaganda machine.
When Buckley states his
opinions in writing or on the air,
he never prefaces remarks or articles by providing facts about
his CIA days with E. Howard
Hunt. Few people know that
Buckley's family fortune came
from Pantipec Oil Company. E.
Howard Hunt and George DeMohrenschildt, Oswald's CIA
baby-sitter, both worked under
Warren Smith. Smith was President of Buckley's Pantipec Oil.
Buckley not only worked with
E. Howard Hunt in the CIA,
but formed the notorious YAF
with Douglass Caddy, co-worker in the CIA office of
Mullen and Co. of Watergate
Members of the YAF were
brought from U.S. Military Intelligence in Germany to the
Dallas-Ft. Worth area in the fall
of 1962. Their object was to infiltrate and take over this conveniently formed new organization. Orders went from Larry
Schmidt, first to arrive, that all
members had to be in Dallas
before JFK arrived ... for their
briefings and roles to be played.
There is more to the Buckley-CIA-YAF-Caddy connections
than time allows here.
Liberty Lobby and the John
Birch Society accumulate interesting facts. Their numbers
are correct, but the conclusions
can't be proven and are in error.
Jimmy Carter sent a message
into the new spacecraft. He
wrote that "we human beings
are still divided into nation
states, but these states are rapidly becoming a single global
The Birch Society and Liberty
Lobby would claim this is proof
of "one world" conspiracy of
communism and the communists are winning their goals. On
the other hand, my assessment
forces me to believe the Bormann Brotherhood exists. Hitler's goal to rule the world
through satellites and weapons
is working. We are moving into
the Nazification of planet earth.
Carter's Human Rights issue
is a sham. He scolds the USSR.
We support and fund South Africa, Argentina, Chile, Brazil,
South Korea, Nicaragua, Iran,
feudal Middle-East countries
with no trials and much torture.
George Schuler's attack upon
Malcolm X, published in American Opinion, Feb. 1973, argues
that it would be better to memorialize Benedict Arnold, a
known traitor, than Malcolm X.
Malcolm X was never a traitor to the USA.
Schuler's put down on Malcolm begins by stating Malcolm
X was once a pimp, dope
peddler, ex-convict who served
ten years for robbery.
He fails to mention the
murder of Malcolm's father, the
causes of his hatred and poverty, the reasons blacks get into
crime. Schuler doesn't praise
Malcolm X for changing his
ways, for his eloquent self-education, for his published lectures and writings, for his ability
to raise himself above the gutter
to become an inspiration for
White racists use Black fools
and Jewish apologists for much
of their dirty work.
The anti-semitic YAF - John
Birch Society wanted to place an
ad, "Wanted for Treason,"
with a black border, into the
newspapers the day JFK was
assassinated in Dallas, Texas.
Members of the Birch Society
paid for the ad. Neo-Nazi Christians wrote the ad. Whose name
was at the bottom, in the newspaper Nov. 22, 1963? Jew boy
Bernard Weissman. Why his
name? Weissman testified before the Warren Commission
that they wanted his name
"because he was Jewish." Why
did they need a Jewish name
identified with the death of
JFK? Because another Jew,
Jack Rubenstein (Ruby), who
always worked with the oil millionaire anti-Semites, and wanted their approval, was also
going to be utilized to silence the
patsy. No other members of the
YAF were asked to come before
the Warren Commission. Why
CD: A number of conspiracy
researchers are suspicious of the
U.S. Labor Parry and NCLC as
being funded by powerful governments or private interests.
They seem to promote some of
your conspiracy theories such as
your interpretation of the Symbionese Liberation Army kidnapping of Patty Hearst. What
do you think, is Lyndon
LaRouche for real? We find it
suspicious that a new world
Central Bank is the linchpin of
his program. Central Banks and
their power to create money
(power) by slapping ink on
paper have always been the
primary tool of ruling classes.
What is your opinion of the
M.B.: The U.S. Labor Party
always blames the CIA and
Rockefeller for everything that
Maybe they are hitting the top
dogs. It is hard to argue that
However, the CIA and the
Rockefellers can't do it alone.
The USLP praises Gerald Ford
as a fine man. Ford was a cover-up artist for the Warren Commission. His crime of lies about
Oswald in his book and the
cover-up of hard evidence make
him guilty of crimes worse than
Nixon was charged with. Ford
covered up the killings of Kennedy, Officer J. D. Tippit, and
the murder of Lee Harvey
Oswald. Ford brought neo-Nazi
G. Gordon Liddy to Washington, D.C. to work in the
Treasury Dept. Ford pardoned
Nixon because he was guilty of
the same charges, cover-up of
The NCLC never uses documents that prove the Defense Industry Security Command, Division V of the FBI, and other
agencies had a part in the assassinations and conspiracies.
They were and are not interested in assassinations inside
Political murders determine
who will become head of the
Pentagon, Marines, Airforce,
Navy, FBI, CIA, Treasury
Financial policies, national
and international, are controlled
by corporations and individuals
to make up these multinational
nation-state empires. It is the
systematic and always planned
murders that control their
financial investments. I want to know
who is murdering. The NCLC
speak of the condition. They
can't make a proper diagnosis
without examining the deaths.
I agree with the NCLC that
terrorism is being funded by the
right. This has been an historical
truth, a technique used by the
Czar, then brought to Germany
for the Nazis.
The SLA is the CIA. It was
formed to infiltrate the Bay
Area left-wing movements and
to test mind control drugs.
Lyndon LaRouche never
writes about Ronald Reagan, Robert Maheu, Howard
Hughes, Paul Laxault, the
Summa Company, the Hughes
Medical Institute in Florida, or
others who are the opposite side
of the Rockefeller coin. There is
a battle going on between the
warfare industries and war machine and the Eastern Wall
Street gang. The NCLC knows
the names of some of the
players. They conspicuously
omit others. Chase Manhattan
Bank is named in Solidarity.
Bank of America is never
My opinion on the money
question could fill your entire
issue. Profits are obtained by
monopolizing what we need; oil,
coal, water, transportation, minerals, gas, food, health,
homes, entertainment, and communications (phones).
Profits are made from what
we don't need; drugs, chemicals,
tobacco, narcotics, gambling,
prostitution, kidnapping, bank
robberies, white collar crimes,
hijacking, weapons, overcosts,
guns, warfare machinery.
Murders and assassinations
that I study pertain to those killings that served some purpose involving future financial
gains that would not have occurred without those deaths. If
the electoral system were REALLY FREE to allow people
to vote for those representatives
who could alter their lives and
pocketbooks, the profits in the
hands of a few would be considerably reduced.
If the Judicial system really
worked, there would be less
crimes and less payoffs for
Is money the root of all evil?
It comes pretty close.
For a given salary, the head
and fingers of SLA leader
Donald DeFreeze were cut off
before his body was sent to
Who paid for the injections
that Jack Ruby and Martha Mitchell received? What laboratory
manufactured the substance?
What profits were made from
the LSD given to Patty Hearst
while in a closet 45 days?
How were the car accidents of
Murray Chotiner and Clay
What did it cost to cover up
the fatal plane crash of
CIA money bagwoman Dorothy
Hunt at the height of
How much was the telephone
bill from New York City to
Chicago when CBS ordered the
cremation of Michelle Clark,
victim on Dorothy Hunt's plane
along with 45 others?
Were Jack Ruby's debts of
$40,000 to IRS before the Kennedy assassination automatically paid when he obliged and shot
Lee Harvey Oswald?
How much tax money went to
fund doubles for Lee Harvey
Oswald, Sirhan Sirhan, Donald
DeFreeze and James Earl Ray?
Where are the bankers who
are funding violence? Are we
paying for all this, the murders,
the expensive and lengthy trials,
and the silence money, from our
earned tax money?
Who paid the hospital bills in
Colorado for Ditta Beard, ITT
secretary, when she embarrassed
President Richard Nixon?
The important crises in
America are what we are doing
and what we are allowing to
Fascism isn't located in Bank
names or bank titles. It is what
we are doing to people in front
of our eyes.
According to the New York
City Health Department figures
during 1976, murder was number 1 cause of death for ages
between 15-24. MURDER IS
WINNING OVER DRUG ABUSE, CANCER, DISEASES, OR ANY OTHER CAUSE.
I don't care as much about the
banking houses as I do about
where money is being abused
and wasted. If we were ever to
solve these crimes, we could locate which banking houses were behind the plans.
CD: From listening to your tapes, I seem to detect that you
believe that the Bildeberger-CIA-CFR "free world" Establishment ruling class is Anglo-Saxon/White Racist. How do
you square this theory with the
apparent pro-minority attitude
of the Establishment's kept liberals and think tank/foundations? Left-cover? Incitement
How do so many of Jewish
descent become prominent in
government and finance if the
ruling class is still White Racist?
How do you account for
the Rothschilds, Warburgs,
Schiffs, Kissingers, etc.?
M.B.: The Bildebergers, CIA, CFR establishment ruling class
is basically Anglo-Saxon White
Racist. There are a few Jewish showpieces allowed on the
fringe for entertainment or
Racism in the USA is everywhere, in every prison, police
department, and so-called
The Control of Candy Jones
by Donald Bain tells how a New
York model was taken by the
CIA, injected with sodium pentathol, and hypnotized. Candy
was then taught to hate Blacks,
Jews, and Italians. Why? Why
were our tax dollars (I keep
repeating this because it makes
me furious that we are funding
these crimes) used to further
hatred? How many more Candy
Joneses were taught to hate?
Candy joined the CIA to deliver
messages and ended up with two
personalities inside her head.
There is no pro-minority attitude on the part of the
Establishment. That is so foolish that I wonder what kind of
vacuum you are coming from.
Blacks, Mexicans, Jews, and Indians are not part of the
mainstream of white USA. They
are on the lowest fringe.
A few Jews such as
the Rothschilds, Warburgs, and
Schiffs are always the token
names for a gentile society.
They do not represent assimilation or a symbol of Jew-Christian solidarity.
Henry Kissinger is a different
story. Kissinger was developed
by the U.S. Army Intelligence
following World War II. Kissinger worked in counter-intelligence. Many Christian agents
were assuming names of Jews
killed in the concentration
How is it possible that Jewish
Henry Kissinger became the darling protégé of the Rockefeller,
Exxon, Standard Oil?
Kissinger has been photographed kissing Anwar Sadat in
Egypt. Sadat has been described
as part of Hitler's Nazi
Would oil magnates, with
their anti-Semitic clubs and
multimillion investments, allow
Jew-Kissinger to make deals and
contracts with oil giants in the
Why does the Shah of Iran, a
Moslem, work with Kissinger so
Kissinger put Nazis into
power in Greece, Brazil, Chile.
They love him. When Hitler's
$400,000,000 cash went into
Argentina, did they know that
Kissinger would be heading our
State Department and National
No Jew would be allowed to
be in charge of the Pentagon,
National Security of the United
States. The CIA is a racist
All of this is impossible!!!
Kissinger's Jewish cover conceals the Rockefeller and Wall
Street bankers who are directing
C.D.: Isn't it possible that all
racial-ethic issues are simply
manipulated to keep the ruled
class fighting among themselves? It seems incredible to me
that men (or women) with the
intelligence (if evil intelligence)
to conspiratorially rule nations
(and maybe even the world)
would be so petty-minded as to
be racists. What is your
M.B.: Racial and ethic issues
are not manipulated to keep the
ruled class fighting among
themselves. Racism is taught
from an early age. White men
and women fear they will lose
their jobs, and also lose their
possessions in a competitive
market with minorities.
There must have been a lot of
anger accumulated in blacks
after slavery which the white
man feared might become unleashed. The way to control this
situation was and is by continuing hatreds, getting more police,
rigging the courts to keep
minorities locked up, send narcotics in the ghetto for submission, exclusion from the labor
unions and labor market, and
many other techniques. You
know what they are.
C.D.: I agree that race prejudice exists to one degree or
another at most levels of U.S.
society. However, it seems to me
that the majority working classes are the most racist because
they fear competition for jobs
from Blacks and Mexicans.
The ruling class, especially the
Eastern Wall Street gang that
controls the "liberal" CBS/ABC/NBC/New York Times/Washington Post, really seems
to take the side of minorities. Is
this just fake propaganda to
rake in minority votes?
M.B.: The majority of the working classes are not the most
racist against each other. Competition for jobs between Indians, Blacks and Chicanos is
caused by a racist power structure in this country that refuses
to allow jobs in the first place.
Labor Unions exclude minorities. Medical schools and law
schools could be increased by
the hundreds instead of bickering over a particular student's
IQ tests have been proven to
be racist, thereby dropping off
otherwise qualified students.
Every white doctor that receives $100,000 a year could
earn $25,000 and allow three
blacks to also earn the same
By keeping minorities out of
professions, except entertainment and athletics, the white
community can keep their residential areas white, their schools
white, their churches white, and
perpetuate the racism. There is
no need for fences or ID cards
as in South Africa.
Law Enforcement, Sheriffs,
and government agencies such
as the FBI, CIA, NSA, DIA,
DISC are predominantly white.
We could write an entire issue
of CONSPIRACY DIGEST about our
differences regarding CBS,
ABC, NBC, New York Times,
and Washington Post.
Where do you ever get the
label "liberal" for these people?
How can you possibly say
they take the side of minorities? When? Where? How?
I subscribe to these newspapers and want to puke. I have
boycotted major network news
coverage since I studied political
assassinations because of their
lies, distortions, half truths, insinuations, and massive cover-ups.
The United States press
doesn't fake propaganda. They
don't even appeal to minorities.
To hell with minority votes.
These maniacs support military
dictatorships and fascism the
USA instituted since World War
II. They treat the CIA and heads
of state as if they were some
kind of royalty instead of the
war criminals they really are.
C.D.: Several right-wing
authors have theorized that the
main conflict in the world is or
was the battle between Wasp
and Jewish financiers. Or, more
simply, that the history of the
2Oth Century is primarily Rockefeller (Standard Oil) vs.
Rothschild (Royal Dutch Shell)
bottle to control governments
and resources. Do you think
there is anything to
What do you think about the
Cowboy-Yankee War by Carl
Oglesby? Your research would
seem to support the theory that
Nixon as an agent of the new
wealth "Cowboy" capitalist
faction (Hughes?) was finally
done in by old wealth "Yankee"
capitalist faction (Rockefeller-Rothschild) at Watergate.
M.B.: The main conflict in
the world is not between Wasp
and Jewish financiers.
The battle of Cowboy vs.
Yankee, Carl Oglesby's theories, are oversimplified. There is
no way to mark off geographical boundaries or to separate
fighting factions into such
What we are experiencing are
a series of revolutions taking
place at the same time. Some of
them are political. Others are
cultural and social.
While these changes have
been occurring in the 20th century, the old feudal monopolies,
economically dependent upon
empires, have been grasping for
control of sources of power and
wealth (listed earlier as sources
Three good books that describe the origins for our current
moral and financial bankruptcy
are The Great Conspiracy by
Michael Sayers and Albert E. Kahn, Merchants of Death by
H. C. Egglebrecht, and Weimar
Republic, Clandestine Rearmament by E. J. Gumbel.
Following World War I, the
allied armies were afraid to
disarm German militarism because of fear that Bolshevism
was spreading and might go
The solution was the secret,
clandestine army, Secret Police
SS, and a series of over 400
murders that altered the face of
U.S. Corporations and Wall
Street, along with France and
England, began arming
World War I had mobilized
66,103,164 men. 37,494,186
were killed. Indirect costs were
$151,000,000,000. Direct costs
The propaganda myth of the
"menace of Bolshevism" put
Nazis in power. Adolf Hitler,
hypnotized front man for the
warfare industries and corporations, was to rid Europe of
When World War II was
over, and the Communists were
still very much alive, the
COMPANIES THAT ARMED
GERMANY AFTER WWI...
sent the Nazis and war criminals
with their money, counterfeit or
otherwise, into the USA, Middle
East, Asia, Africa, and South
Allen Dulles, attorney for
Wall Street, made the arrangements for the Nazis' exit.
He became the first director of
the CIA in 1947, now patterned
after the illegal rearming of the
All of the divisions and decoys we fall into, all the categories of conflicts, never follow
history or documents day by the
day to see why we are having
so many assassinations and
642 Nazis were brought to
our defense industries, universities, and hospitals from 1945-
1952 under Project Paperclip.
World War II cost 80,000,000
deaths. The cost went up. The
rearming for World War III
began as early as 1945 when the
decision was made to protect the
doctors and scientists Hitler
used and to continue their experimentations and weapons
systems in the USA.
The real battle now is whether or not it is too late to stop this
country from going Fascist.
If Arab investors, funded by
Nazis, withdraw their savings
from U.S. banks, the USA will
become instantly bankrupt.
Nazi General Reinard Gehlen
had the solution for conquered
Gehlen was going to turn 50
million Russians into slaves "in
accordance with Aryan racial
principals, to become sub
Some "forty million Soviet
Citizens would be eliminated
by natural means, namely famine." This is the same Gehlen that Allen Dulles provided
$200,000,000 of our tax dollars.
Yes! Add it up. Are we getting
our money's worth? (Gehlen,
Spy of the Century, E. H.
It is easier to understand droughts, famines, terrorism, new kinds of diseases,
rare cancers, mind control experiments, stock manipulations, labor strikes and other
unpleasant "accidents" of nature in the USA after studying
the history of Nazism.
C.D.: How much conflict do
you see in the ruling class? Some
conspiriologists think it is all
fake, a diversion.
M.B.: The conflict in the
ruling class is between those
who are elected and appointed
to rule, and those who are acting
illegally to condition us for the
next war or series of wars.
We are identical to Germany
in 1932. Salvadore Allende had
to put up with strikes and the
raging of the Chilean citizens
who turned out to be paid by the
CIA (over 8 million dollars to
disrupt his country).
Nothing is natural today. Billions are going into creating
divisions, terror, to make headlines, to spread confusion and
If any officials come along
with independence or suggestions they are killed, blackmailed, ignored, surreptitiously
drugged, paid off, or bugged.
To make changes today is to
enter into an obstacle course.
The Intelligence Community
and those people doing all this
manipulating for their power and wealth are moving against
the laws of nature. Something
must give. Our institutions
should be re-examined. Individuals must come forward with
enough courage to support investigators like myself who are
armed with facts and
As Emerson said, "That form
of government which prevails is
the expression of what civilization exists in the population
which permits it."
C.D.: Many conspiriologists
point the finger at David
Rockefeller as the most powerful financial conspirator in
America and maybe the world.
Do you agree? What about
Hughes, H. L. Hunt? Others? Is
Chase-Manhattan really going
M.B.: David Rockefeller
might be the most powerful
financial conspirator in America. Howard Hughes and H. L.
Hunt are dead. Daniel Ludwig is
Rockefeller managed to keep
their boy Kissinger running all
our foreign policies in every
country while their Exxon
stayed on top, #1 Corporation
for profits. Nice arrangement!!
That is power. The Bildebergers select our Presidents.
Is Ronald Reagan a member
of the Bildeberger and Tri-Lateral?
I believe that the pecking
order for front man Presidents
always was Nixon, Agnew, then
Reagan. Carter is an interim
If Ronald Reagan were to
become President because of
Carter's death, would the Rockefellers be powerful any more?
Where would the power be
transferred? To the Pentagon
and away from Wall Street.
The power is in a silencer,
secret weapon, possible drugs to
make Carter ill. It comes in
many forms. This is a battle
royal between two kings, the
Rockefeller Dynasty and the
government the Rockefellers
created originally for their own
CIA agent John Connally,
one of the most powerful men in
the world, named as part of the
DISC, FBI combine that covered up the JFK assassination,
is opening funding offices for
Reagan in D.C.
Can the Rockefellers survive?
Are they part of a dying era,
identical to Kaiser Wilhelm? Is
the AMMUNITION INDUSTRY READY TO TAKE OVER
THE USA? That is where the
power struggle is taking place.
The Eastern Wall Street International banks created spies and
weapons to march in order to
protect their profits. The armies
turned against their masters.
They decided they could create
their own wealth and power.
New York is crumbling. The
Pentagon is stronger than ever.
Yale, Harvard, Princeton, and
the top Eastern Universities
haven't produced a new idea or
a constructive change for all
their classical education. They
have been swallowed by Pentagon and spy contracts. The
USA looks like a dance of death
in every major city.
C.D.: Unless I am misreading
you, you seem to have some real
respect for John F. Kennedy. Is
there any reason to believe that
his idealistic line was for real?
Wasn't he just another glib
gangster that lost? Do you agree
with Oglesby that he was an
agent of the old Wall Street
Eastern Establishment (as was
his Nazi leaning father) and that
his assassination was plotted by
Southern Rim upstarts?
M.B.: Yes, I do have a respect
for John F. Kennedy.
If you don't believe his
idealistic line was for real, just
add up what he was doing when
he was killed.
JFK asked his brother, Attorney General Robert Kennedy, to break up organized
crime. Nobody high up in government has tangled the Mafia.
J. E. Hoover, the FBI, CIA
hired crime members as part of
assassination teams. They were
used by the FBI and CIA since
World War II.
JFK was attempting to end
the oil-tax depletion rip-offs, to
get tax money from oil
JFK instituted the nuclear test
ban treaty, often called "the
kiss of death," to oppose the
JFK called off the Invasion of Cuba. He allowed Castro to
live, antagonized narcotics and
gambling, oil and sugar interests, formerly in Cuba.
JFK asked his brother, Attorney General Robert Kennedy, to break up the CIA, the
"hidden government behind my
back." Allen Dulles was fired.
The attorney for international
multinationals, Dulles, was
JFK planned to withdraw
troops from Vietnam after 1964
elections. Nov. 24, 1963, two
days after JFK's burial, the Pentagon had escalated the Vietnam
war ... with no known provocations, after JFK was gone.
There was no chance Kennedy
could survive antagonizing the
CIA, oil companies, Pentagon,
organized crime. He was not
The assassination of JFK utilized some people from the
Texas-Southwest. It was not a
Southern plot. Upstarts could
not have controlled the
Northern CIA, FBI, Kennedy
family connections. This was a
more detailed, sophisticated
conspiracy that was to set the
pattern for future murders to
The murder was funded by
Permindex, headquarters in
Montreal and Switzerland.
Their stated purpose was to encourage trade between nations
in the Western world. Their actual purpose was fourfold:
1) To fund and direct assassinations of European, Mid-East
and world leaders considered
threats to the Western World,
and to Petroleum Interests of
2) Provide couriers, agents
for transporting and depositing
funds through Swiss Banks for
Vegas, Miami, and International gambling syndicate.
3) Coordinate the espionage
activities of the White Russian
Solidarists and Division V of the
FBI, headed by William
4) Build and acquire, operate
hotels and gambling casinos.
Nomenclature of an Assassination Cabal by William Torbitt.